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| 看这种东西，不必太认真，说实话，我对这个问题有自己的看法 | Mar 19, 2008 |
wherestip wrote:
这不是成心制造所谓 "中国威胁论" 吗?
西藏当然是中国的一部分, 有必要这么骂骂咧咧的吗?
这个短片，我是当像SNL一样的东西看的。另,刚给我老公放了一遍，他没有因为这个片儿觉得中国是个威胁，他的感受是，forward it to me, I want to see it again. Its interesting. I learned sth.
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wherestip wrote:
西藏当然是中国的一部分, 有必要这么骂骂咧咧的吗?
Steve,
那作者骂骂咧咧是不大好，不过西方有不少人认为西藏不是中国的一部分。例如，那个演电影的理查‧基尔就说中国是1949年“入侵”西藏的。如果蒋介石先生地下有知，恐怕也会骂“娘希匹”！
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| 西方媒体对西藏的历史很少报道， | Mar 19, 2008 |
这一点不免会让人觉得不公平。也难怪那个制片人充满“仇恨”。
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wherestip wrote:
这不是成心制造所谓 "中国威胁论" 吗?
西藏当然是中国的一部分, 有必要这么骂骂咧咧的吗?
Yes, Steve, at the moment Tibet signed the Agreement and the People's Liberation Army marched into Tibet, it becomes a part of China. There is no reason for others to say anything about Chinese way of ruling. However, human rights concern all people. I hope that the Chinese government will take good care of this issue.
It concerns the human race.
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wherestip
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| The words are too hostile | Mar 19, 2008 |
I agree that many people in the U.S. have the wrong impression about China's sovereignty over Tibet.
Hmm, I didn't know Richard Gere was a Buddhist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Gere
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| 西藏在达赖统治时期完全是农奴制社会 | Mar 19, 2008 |
那时有人权吗？
Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
Yes, Steve, at the moment Tibet signed the Agreement and the People's Liberation Army marched into Tibet, it becomes a part of China. There is no reason for others to say anything about Chinese way of ruling. However, human rights concern all people. I hope that the Chinese government will take good care of this issue.
It concerns the human race.
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| I know almost nothing about that period. | Mar 19, 2008 |
Yueyin Sun wrote:
西藏在达赖统治时期完全是农奴制社会，那时有人权吗？
Frankly speaking, I know nearly nothing about Tibet during that period. Human rights are never given by someone else. They are yours by birth and you have to protect them by yourself. If the Tibetans didn't fight for their liberation, that was their bad luck. If they don't fight for their rights, that's bad for them now. As stated above, my opinion is clear: It is after all a matter of Chinese inner politics and I am no one to judge.
However, a simple conviction: Others' wrong-doings do not justify our wrong-doings.
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Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
Yes, Steve, at the moment Tibet signed the Agreement and the People's Liberation Army marched into Tibet, it becomes a part of China. There is no reason for others to say anything about Chinese way of ruling. However, human rights concern all people. I hope that the Chinese government will take good care of this issue.
It concerns the human race.
Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
Frankly speaking, I know nearly nothing about Tibet during that period. Human rights are never given by someone else. They are yours by birth and you have to protect them by yourself. If the Tibetans didn't fight for their liberation, that was their bad luck. If they don't fight for their rights, that's bad for them now. As stated above, my opinion is clear: It is after all a matter of Chinese inner politics and I am no one to judge.
However, a simple conviction: Others' wrong-doings do not justify our wrong-doings.
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Yueyin Sun wrote:
那时有人权吗？
Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
Yes, Steve, at the moment Tibet signed the Agreement and the People's Liberation Army marched into Tibet, it becomes a part of China. There is no reason for others to say anything about Chinese way of ruling. However, human rights concern all people. I hope that the Chinese government will take good care of this issue.
It concerns the human race.
解放前,我国还有许多少数民族,例如大,小凉山上的彝族人民,青藏高原上的藏族人民,生活在奴隶制的皮鞭下.他们没有土地,房屋,财产,甚者莲肉体都是领主,头人的,可以随意被卖掉.西藏的农奴主,以沉重的租税,高利贷剥削农民;用抽筋,割舍,砍手,刖脚,剜眼,挖心,扔进蝎子的洞等残暴刑罚镇压农奴.在这样的制度下,广大少数民族人民遭受残酷的剥削,过着非人的生活.(王永宽,等,祖国,中国青年出版社,1983)
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| I am not the one to judge. | Mar 19, 2008 |
Yueyin Sun wrote:
Right or wrong?
As said, I am definitely not the one to judge because I am not there and I don't know what exactly happens. The pictures give me a weird impression: People with no firearms fight against military vehicles --- that must be some fury!
Democracy, law and order are never something from no ground. You could never tell who were the evil-doers, the KMT or the CCP? But we know from the history that the mass decided to expel the KMT.
What we nowadays enjoy in Taiwan was not from nowhere, either. We have been fighting against the KMT and have achieved the direct election of our legislators to the Parliament and the direct election of the President. It took quite a while before we have achieved all these and we don't intend to go back to street fights like what happened some twenty/thirty years ago or like what happens in Tibet now.
I don't know what is right or wrong in Tibet now. Let me just sit back and wait for the result.
顺道说说，我们的一位总统候选人昨天贸然说：“抗议XX镇压YY，不排除抵制奥运。”台湾的体育界立即反应：参加奥运是我们争取来的，哪有你说一句话就取消了的呢？你好歹也该先问问我们的意见，先问问国会里的那些代表们的意见－－这就是台湾的民主：我们不会容许任何领导人的独断独行。
我说过，有些人宁可自己到其他民族流血流汗建构起来的国家，享受别人奋斗牺牲得来的自由民主和社会正义，却不愿意看到别人在他们自己的祖国争取自由民主和社会正义；对于这些人，我感到无比的恐惧。
将心比心也许就能明白，那个事件是民族问题也好、社会治安问题也好，总应该有个合理的解决，而不是关起门来打小孩。当然，有的人家关起门来虐待家里的小孩，我们既不是法官，也不是执法者，只能眼巴巴看着那样的情况，对自己更加警惕。最好像马英九那样，准备好绿卡或外国籍，情势不对时拔腿就跑。所以在台湾最近流行一首歌：“马、马、马、马呀，送我一张绿卡！马、马、马、马呀，送我一张绿卡！”另有一个顺口溜：“选上马英九，人人有绿卡，大家十八趴。”
看到不义的事，如果我们无力帮助别人解脱困难，因而沉默不语，闷在心中已是一件很难过的事了，怎还有可能睁眼说瞎话帮着强势者说话呢？
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Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
I don't know what is right or wrong in Tibet now. Let me just sit back and wait for the result.
我说过，有些人宁可自己到其他民族流血流汗建构起来的国家，享受别人奋斗牺牲得来的自由民主和社会正义，却不愿意看到别人在他们自己的祖国争取自由民主和社会正义；对于这些人，我感到无比的恐惧。
将心比心也许就能明白，那个事件是民族问题也好、社会治安问题也好，总应该有个合理的解决，而不是关起门来打小孩。当然，有的人家关起门来虐待家里的小孩，我们既不是法官，也不是执法者，只能眼巴巴看着那样的情况，对自己更加警惕。
看到不义的事，如果我们无力帮助别人解脱困难，因而沉默不语，闷在心中已是一件很难过的事了，怎还有可能睁眼说瞎话帮着强势者说话呢？
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中国官方是从西藏的历史来谈它的归属，而西方媒体则focus在人权问题上，而很少对西藏的历史去做全面的报道。西方同情西的人听到得最多的也是人权方面的情况。问题双方都在回避自己的weakpoint，这就是政治，人权只是其中的一个问题。
For inquisitive mind, I recommend the book The Snow lion and the Dragon. Or, simply check encyclopedia britannica for information about that period.
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| Well, that's why I said that I am not the one to judge. | Mar 19, 2008 |
isahuang wrote:
中国官方是从西藏的历史来谈它的归属，而西方媒体则focus在人权问题上，而很少对西藏的历史去做全面的报道。西方同情西的人听到得最多的也是人权方面的情况。问题双方都在回避自己的weakpoint，这就是政治，人权只是其中的一个问题。
For inquisitive mind, I recommend the book The Snow lion and the Dragon. Or, simply check encyclopedia britannica for information about that period.
Nothing can justify one's own wrong-doings, not even the wrong-doings of others.
Thanks for your opinion.
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相反我想问，如果是你的孩子，你就可以想打就打想杀就杀？
法国这里前几年也出现骚乱，那是因为有两个孩子看到警察查身份证害怕，匆忙中躲到高压电场事故身亡，而且由于当时的内务部长即现在的总统说话没有掌握分寸而引起的，当然也是长期积累问题的反应。那些骚乱的年轻人烧了很多汽车和一些公共建筑物，就这样，也没有杀死一个骚乱的人。在这里如果... See more 相反我想问，如果是你的孩子，你就可以想打就打想杀就杀？
法国这里前几年也出现骚乱，那是因为有两个孩子看到警察查身份证害怕，匆忙中躲到高压电场事故身亡，而且由于当时的内务部长即现在的总统说话没有掌握分寸而引起的，当然也是长期积累问题的反应。那些骚乱的年轻人烧了很多汽车和一些公共建筑物，就这样，也没有杀死一个骚乱的人。在这里如果有意用杀人的手段来镇压，那群众的舆论足以让总统下台，政府彻底换班。
另外，在法国骚乱期间，记者是可以自由采访的，只是要特别注意安全问题。如果那边的政府没什么需要掩盖的，为什么不敢让记者正常工作？难道世界上的记者都是傻瓜？
isahuang wrote:
中国官方是从西藏的历史来谈它的归属，而西方媒体则focus在人权问题上，而很少对西藏的历史去做全面的报道。西方同情西的人听到得最多的也是人权方面的情况。问题双方都在回避自己的weakpoint，这就是政治，人权只是其中的一个问题。
For inquisitive mind, I recommend the book The Snow lion and the Dragon. Or, simply check encyclopedia britannica for information about that period. ▲ Collapse
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