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| wherestip United States Local time: 02:41 Chinese to English + ... a clarification | Mar 20, 2008 |
chance wrote:
我是在回答你的帖子
chance,
I hope you didn't read too much into what I was saying to Dr. Li. All I was expressing was that many countries, including China, the United States, Russia, etc. all have a common interest in combating terrorism. In my opinion, the conspiracy theory of the CIA and Britain trying to undermine the stability of China needs a lot more substantiatable evidence to be convincing.
By no means was I implying that the Lhasa riot was an act of terrorism. Like I said before, I don't have enough background information to make that kind of categorical characterization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism | | | isahuang Local time: 03:41 English to Chinese + ... Now you know how I feel sometimes | Mar 20, 2008 |
wherestip wrote:
chance,
I hope you didn't read too much into what I was saying to Dr. Li. All I was expressing was that many countries, including China, the United States, Russia, etc. all have a common interest in combating terrorism. In my opinion, the conspiracy theory of the CIA and Britain trying to undermine the stability of China needs a lot more substantiatable evidence to be convincing.
By no means was I implying that the Lhasa riot was an act of terrorism. Like I said before, I don't have enough background information to make that kind of categorical characterization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
| | | chance (X) French to Chinese + ... TOPIC STARTER
既然你不暗示藏民是恐怖分子,最好不要把他们帖一起,容易引起误会,尤其在这个特殊时期。我再强调一下,所有镇压者,都会找到他们镇压或战争的理由,布什不是已经做给你们看了吗?
我知道美国在有些方面越走越远,与欧洲的人文价值观越来越不同,但是我相信美国人民会慢慢意识到这些问题的。
在明显有人误会所谓的“中国威胁论”的时候,我�... See more 既然你不暗示藏民是恐怖分子,最好不要把他们帖一起,容易引起误会,尤其在这个特殊时期。我再强调一下,所有镇压者,都会找到他们镇压或战争的理由,布什不是已经做给你们看了吗?
我知道美国在有些方面越走越远,与欧洲的人文价值观越来越不同,但是我相信美国人民会慢慢意识到这些问题的。
在明显有人误会所谓的“中国威胁论”的时候,我和文哲多次提示你们北美的老同事们,希望你们能出来用你们体会到的美国人民的精神文明来说明问题,尽我们的绵薄之力化解误会,宣传人文精神。你们却很勉强,或说不谈敏感话题,或是只简单说几句,最后还是我来了一篇比较客观介绍美国和西方国家情况的帖子。
http://www.proz.com/post/813530#813530
我不谈什么归属权,达赖如何等等,我的重点是在“维持秩序”的时候要更加尊重人的生命,因为在这个世界上没有什么比生命更宝贵更脆弱的东西了,生命只有一次。如果真正尊重生命,那么很多死亡是可以避免的。
http://www.proz.com/post/814799#814799
你们为了捍卫“主权”或其它什么,却忘记了国家只不过是为人服务的管理机构的原则。我建议你们有时间仔细看看你们的帖子,然后看看我的答复。我不要求你们完全同意我的观点,但是请千万不要忘记你们当时来美国是为了什么?不要忘记你们的信仰。
我在涉及到人的生命问题的时候是很认真的,尤其是知道那些人没有我们这样的发言权,所以有时发言会很不客气,尤其是对李斌那贴,这也使我难过,因为李斌一直对我很好,我也一直很尊重他。
另外我想强调感谢KEVIN给了我们这么多机会让我们能够进一步认识世界和自己。
关于恐怖分子问题,我觉得西方国家需要好好反省,也许我们以后有机会再谈。
wherestip wrote:
chance wrote:
我是在回答你的帖子
chance,
I hope you didn't read too much into what I was saying to Dr. Li. All I was expressing was that many countries, including China, the United States, Russia, etc. all have a common interest in combating terrorism. In my opinion, the conspiracy theory of the CIA and Britain trying to undermine the stability of China needs a lot more substantiatable evidence to be convincing.
By no means was I implying that the Lhasa riot was an act of terrorism. Like I said before, I don't have enough background information to make that kind of categorical characterization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
[Edited at 2008-03-21 07:59] ▲ Collapse | | | chance (X) French to Chinese + ... TOPIC STARTER
abinitio wrote:
又是周末(明天复活节假期),允许自己上来感概一下。想到了Martin Niemoller牧师曾经写过一首诗:
First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
成为牧师之前,他在一次大战期间是德国U-boat的船长。
声音不能只有一个。捍卫和摧毁同样重要。
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redred China Local time: 15:41 English to Chinese + ...
整天在电脑前纠缠着一个问题再套另一个问题进行发问和思考,兼上一环扣一环,思考到脑子出窍,可没实际意义。 | | | chance (X) French to Chinese + ... TOPIC STARTER
我知道你说的有一定道理,我已更正了有关帖子。也是刚好赶上,几分钟后还想再更正一些,已经不能再编辑了。
我接受你的批评,会多加注意,两顶“桂冠”够我享用一阵子的了
真心希望我们大家都关心的事情能往好的方向发展。
顺祝你和其他老姜周末愉快!
[Edited at 2008-03-21 08:07] | | | Angus Woo Local time: 15:41 Chinese to English + ...
我個人認為文哲兄偏綠, 言詞時常也有些偏激.
我在香港聽說了民進黨攻擊馬英九國籍與出生地的事情. 覺得很好笑, 不是發言的人資料有問題, 就是智商有問題.
在香港出生就有英國國籍? 香港出生等於深圳出生?
這樣的言論已經沒有評論的價值了. 完全是亂編的.
As for what's been happening in Tibet lately, my personal opinion is of course this is a well organized... See more 我個人認為文哲兄偏綠, 言詞時常也有些偏激.
我在香港聽說了民進黨攻擊馬英九國籍與出生地的事情. 覺得很好笑, 不是發言的人資料有問題, 就是智商有問題.
在香港出生就有英國國籍? 香港出生等於深圳出生?
這樣的言論已經沒有評論的價值了. 完全是亂編的.
As for what's been happening in Tibet lately, my personal opinion is of course this is a well organized protest, no doubt about it. Peaceful or violent? Hard to define.
More than a dozen reporters from 6 different TV stations rushed to city right after the protest broke out on 10th Mar. For the first two days, the protest was indeed peaceful, and reporters were allowed to send their report back to HK. Naturally monks were arrested, for they were openly demanding independence; and to many officers' surprise, the arrest consequently attracted even more monks from different monasteries demanding the release of those monks in custody. At this point , it was like a pile of gunpowder.
Taking this very opportunity deliberately or just trying to dramatize the whole incident or spice it up, someone started spreading a rumor that some monks had already been killed without a fair trial and unfortunately some native Tibetans believed it. Revenge became an option now and like it or not some people did decide to get even and voice their anger. This was the turning point. Body clashes, robbing, burning, you name it, and all reporters from HK were sent home the next morning, tapes and electronic content were confiscated around mid of that night.
The local ruling authority made one big mistake, they forgot the power of communication and concentrated almost solely on cracking the whole thing down with warnings and more arrests. Even their warnings were often in Mandarin, ironically they failed to realized that a large percentage of rioters were actually native civilians who may not be able to perfectly understand the language.
The Chinese authority has been trying to bring social, economical and political changes into Tibet in recent years. Of course, most of us would think this is good. However, the authority didn't realized that apparently not everybody is ready to embrace a new way life, especially those religious aboriginals. They might prefer a spiritual life over material life which happens to be the very foundation of their believes. They might perceive the social, economical changes and the influx of commercial products as a deadly threat which would eradicate their culture and religion, and in the end would wipe out the entire nation as well as prevent them from achieving a blissful after life.
This is really a tragedy. I think both sides should be blamed for the loss of human lives. ▲ Collapse | | | QUOI Chinese to English + ... 想多了就是吃饱了撑的,的确无益。 | Mar 21, 2008 |
《老子》:
不上贤,使民不争;不贵难得之货,使民不为盗;不见可欲,使民不乱。是以圣人之治也,虚其心,实其腹,弱其志,强其骨,恒使民无知、无欲也。使夫知不敢、弗为而已,则无不治矣。
redred wrote:
整天在电脑前纠缠着一个问题再套另一个问题进行发问和思考,兼上一环扣一环,思考到脑子出窍,可没实际意义。
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为什么六百多万犹太人就那样被法西斯给活活烧死了。可耻啊! | | | isahuang Local time: 03:41 English to Chinese + ... Thanks Angus for such a fair and balanced account | Mar 21, 2008 |
Angus Woo wrote:
我個人認為文哲兄偏綠, 言詞時常也有些偏激.
我在香港聽說了民進黨攻擊馬英九國籍與出生地的事情. 覺得很好笑, 不是發言的人資料有問題, 就是智商有問題.
在香港出生就有英國國籍? 香港出生等於深圳出生?
這樣的言論已經沒有評論的價值了. 完全是亂編的.
As for what's been happening in Tibet lately, my personal opinion is of course this is a well organized protest, no doubt about it. Peaceful or violent? Hard to define.
More than a dozen reporters from 6 different TV stations rushed to city right after the protest broke out on 10th Mar. For the first two days, the protest was indeed peaceful, and reporters were allowed to send their report back to HK. Naturally monks were arrested, for they were openly demanding independence; and to many officers' surprise, the arrest consequently attracted even more monks from different monasteries demanding the release of those monks in custody. At this point , it was like a pile of gunpowder.
Taking this very opportunity deliberately or just trying to dramatize the whole incident or spice it up, someone started spreading a rumor that some monks had already been killed without a fair trial and unfortunately some native Tibetans believed it. Revenge became an option now and like it or not some people did decide to get even and voice their anger. This was the turning point. Body clashes, robbing, burning, you name it, and all reporters from HK were sent home the next morning, tapes and electronic content were confiscated around mid of that night.
The local ruling authority made one big mistake, they forgot the power of communication and concentrated almost solely on cracking the whole thing down with warnings and more arrests. Even their warnings were often in Mandarin, ironically they failed to realized that a large percentage of rioters were actually native civilians who may not be able to perfectly understand the language.
The Chinese authority has been trying to bring social, economical and political changes into Tibet in recent years. Of course, most of us would think this is good. However, the authority didn't realized that apparently not everybody is ready to embrace a new way life, especially those religious aboriginals. They might prefer a spiritual life over material life which happens to be the very foundation of their believes. They might perceive the social, economical changes and the influx of commercial products as a deadly threat which would eradicate their culture and religion, and in the end would wipe out the entire nation as well as prevent them from achieving a blissful after life.
This is really a tragedy. I think both sides should be blamed for the loss of human lives.
| | | Wenjer Leuschel (X) Taiwan Local time: 15:41 English to Chinese + ... 你认为我的水平会是那样的吗? | Mar 21, 2008 |
Angus Woo wrote:
我個人認為文哲兄偏綠, 言詞時常也有些偏激.
我在香港聽說了民進黨攻擊馬英九國籍與出生地的事情. 覺得很好笑, 不是發言的人資料有問題, 就是智商有問題.
在香港出生就有英國國籍? 香港出生等於深圳出生?
這樣的言論已經沒有評論的價值了. 完全是亂編的.
这次大选谁当选对我都无妨,我所主张的只是“保障人权”。这样的主张也算偏激吗?
我自己在国外生活了21年,非常清楚各国国籍法的情况。你认为我的水平会是那样的吗?香港人在1997年之前到加拿大、澳洲、新西兰等国取得身分,为的是什么?如果他们已经由于出生香港就有英国籍,那还需要取得其他外国籍或居留权吗?我的水平不至于那么低。
再者,我认为照顾人民不是“养猪”,不要欺骗人民有得吃就好,因为“人的生命”不是“猪的生命”!人还有精神文明的需求。
[Edited at 2008-03-21 14:20] | | | Wenjer Leuschel (X) Taiwan Local time: 15:41 English to Chinese + ...
chance wrote:
我开始渐渐明白,为什么六百多万犹太人就那样被法西斯给活活烧死了。可耻啊!
明白的人应该不少,只是人性趋吉避凶,可以不表态最好。我也不希望明白了的人让自己曝露在危险的境地。所以,最好不要逼别人表态。
推荐你读一本书:Escape from Freedom (US), Fear of Freedom (UK) (1941), written by Erich Fromm。原文是德文,应该有法文版。 | |
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我想可以找到法文版。
Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
chance wrote:
我开始渐渐明白,为什么六百多万犹太人就那样被法西斯给活活烧死了。可耻啊!
明白的人应该不少,只是人性趋吉避凶,可以不表态最好。我也不希望明白了的人让自己曝露在危险的境地。所以,最好不要逼别人表态。
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