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| Wake up, poor translators! | May 11, 2007 |
Wake up, poor translators! It is not morning but middle of the night, that's why you need to wake up and go to sleep.
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Never mind, I just woke up.
I am fine now.
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| That is what I was trying to tell my colleagues all the time! | May 11, 2007 |
David Shen wrote:
A frustrated David after translating a lot of nonsense.
"The art of translations is to make sense out of nonsense."
| | | | Shaunna (X)
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I guess I should.
Keep the translation sloppy if the original is sloppy.
Just seeing such texts coming out my pentip (or rather, fiingretips) is a torture.
Ya. I am waking up here.
David Shen wrote:
Wake up, poor translators! ....
Wake up, poor translators! ....
Wake up, poor translators! ....
A frustrated David after translating a lot of nonsense.
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我觉得KudoZ是个趣味小栏目，为啥要那么较真呢？对就对，错就错，好就是好，不好就是不好，没必要为这样的事情反复叩问自己的良心，那样岂不是活得太累？这一点的确要向姚明学习，可惜火箭再次没能逃脱CCTV定律的怪圈。
Juliazou wrote:
Huijun，我本着“能答就上”的精神也乘虚而入了，但asker还嫌我答得不好。真是郁闷啊。 看来有的asker真的以为自己是kudoz的大爷呢。:-( 我很生气，不过后果不严重。:-)
我挺欣赏姚明的，不管别人骂他、中伤他、对他恶意犯规等等，他都不会以恶言和暴力回击。慢慢地，他的敌人都慢慢变成朋友了，如：奥尼尔、弗朗西斯等。别人都觉得他很懦弱，但我却觉得他挺男子汉的。不过，太遗憾了，今年火箭又没能闯过季后赛的第一轮。老天怎么不让姚明拿总冠军呢？至少这样会让人觉得做谦谦君子也是很有前途的一项事业啊。如果这个世界最后都让野蛮人胜利了，正确的价值观就很难有市场了。
不知不觉地，居然发现自己写了两次“等等”。其实每次都是自己犯懒，写着写着，不知道该写什么了，于是就“等等”。:-)
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ysun
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Wenjer Leuschel wrote:
David Shen wrote:
A frustrated David after translating a lot of nonsense.
"The art of translations is to make sense out of nonsense."
Agree with David and Wenjer.
从weiwei (denyce)提出的许多KudoZ问题看来，她是翻译“天书”的专家。:D
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風雪中的北平 金兆梓
北平，確是一個值得留戀的地方，每遇到冬天的風雪，我腦中必浮現了一個風雪中的北平。
當我住在北平那一年，有一天我早上起來，往城南訪一個朋友，去時太陽本已有些發毛；一點鐘左右，起身回家時，北風正一陣緊似一陣的刮著，天也黑將下來。我滿望到了騾馬市大街，可以雇車；不料走到那平日「肩摩轂擊」的大街，一�... See more 風雪中的北平 金兆梓
北平，確是一個值得留戀的地方，每遇到冬天的風雪，我腦中必浮現了一個風雪中的北平。
當我住在北平那一年，有一天我早上起來，往城南訪一個朋友，去時太陽本已有些發毛；一點鐘左右，起身回家時，北風正一陣緊似一陣的刮著，天也黑將下來。我滿望到了騾馬市大街，可以雇車；不料走到那平日「肩摩轂擊」的大街，一看，完全換了樣，不要說車，連行人也沒有。原來那些「熙來攘往」的人都受了風的威脅，躲在家裏了，只剩我一人硬著頭皮和風在奪路。風真大，我這時又逆著風向走，走上了三步，倒退了兩步，這可沒有法了。忽然想著嚴陵灘上那些背著縴，逆水行舟的縴夫，我便往前斜著身子，學他們的走法，一步一步的和風拚命。這樣，果然好了些。但是一路上棋子般大的泥塊，夾著粉末似的細沙，被風捲起來，儘往我臉上打。眼睛裏、鼻子裏、耳裏、嘴裏，甚至牙齒縫兒裏，滿是沙；不必說，臉上著了風帶著的泥塊，又是疼，又是冷，越冷就越疼。不好，到了宣武門的城門洞了。這時候，風給城門洞一逼緊，力量益發大，我真有點「寸步難移」。我只好掉轉頭，背著風，採用「沈著應戰」的方略——乘它一休息，我就回身趕上進佔了幾步；它一來，我又掉轉頭，背著它，靜待著。照這樣的方略，支了三次，總算進了城。於是再用縴夫的走法，苦苦的奪路到了家。........
寫得好，更難翻。機器翻是這樣﹕
In wind and snow Peking Jin Zhaozi Peking, really is the place which is worth being reluctant to part with, meets every time the winter the wind and snow, in my brain must reappear in a wind and snow Peking. When I live in Peking that year, one day I early morning get up, visits a friend toward Chengnan, goes when the sun this has somewhat been scared; About a o'clock, sets out when goes home, north wind tightly resembles one to blow, the day black will also get down.My Man Wangdao the mule city avenue, has been possible to rent a car; But unexpectedly arrives that ordinary day “the crowded with people and vehicles” avenue, as soon as looked, has traded the type completely, do not have to say the vehicle, also does not have including the pedestrian.Original these “bustling” the human have all received the wind threat, hidat home, only remained me to brace oneself the gentle breeze to rush on ahead.The wind is really big, I went against the wind direction to walk by now, have stepped onto three steps, backed up two steps, this might not have the law.Was thinking suddenly on Yan Lingtan these are carrying the filament, the boat sailing against the current tracker, I then proceed the slanting body, studies their move, the gradually gentle breeze risks death.Thus, really good.But all the way the board game piece big clod, is clamping the fine sand which the powder resembles, is curled by the wind, hits toward my face on.In in eye, nose, ear, mouth, even in the tooth seam, full is a sand; Does not need to say, on the face the wind was bringing clod, also is hurts, also is cold, colder issorer.Is not good, to Xuanwu Gate's city gate hole.At this time, as soon as the wind compels for the city gate hole tightly, strength all the more is big, I really a little “the tiny step difficult to move”.I have to fall turn the head, with the back to the wind, the use “Shen Zhuo accepts a challenge” the plan - - while an its rest, I turned round to catch up with has occupied several steps; First it, I fall turn the head, to carry it, is awaiting calmly.According to such plan, three times, finally entered a city.Therefore uses tracker's move again, with hardship rushed on ahead the family......... ▲ Collapse
| | | | wherestip
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pkchan wrote:
風雪中的北平 金兆梓
Are you sure this is Peking we're talking about, and not Mt. Everest?
And what is 太阳发毛?
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| Machine Translation | May 11, 2007 |
I honestly don't remember the winds being so strong in Beijing, even during relentless windstorms that swept the icy air in from Siberia 
But it's indeed been so long.
Anyway, sorry for digressing. I agree with pk, that even well-written Chinese could turn into trash with machine translation.
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| “一打三反”和“三传一反” | May 11, 2007 |
Shaunna wrote:
类似的问题：
文中专业用语的缩略语 （abbreviations）使用，应该在该专业词第一次出现时注明其缩略语，其后就只用缩略语。可中文写作中很不要求这一点，常看见一个词用了好几回了，突然想明白似的就变成了缩略语，甚至有先用缩略语，到后面才想起来注明全称的。
前两天交的一个工，就是看着中文原文到了中间转用缩略语别扭，自作主张将缩略语在那词第一次出现时就注明了，结果PM电话里 （这个项目她和editor做改动之前大都打我电话与我核实）就问了怎么我那里标有缩写原文里没有，只好给她解释 一遍，她说是明白了，可我估计最后定稿不定怎么样了呢。
我认为 Shaunna 的处理方法很对。
有一次，翻译社要求我核对一篇据说是native English speaker翻译的中翻英化工论文（最后我决定不接这活）。其中一个化工习惯用语“三传一反”被译为"three passes and one turn”。学化工的都知道，“三传一反”是指“传热、传质、动量传递和化学反应”(heat transfer, mass transfer, momentum transfer and chemical reaction)。即使不如实译出，起码也应该译为"three transfers and one reaction”。当然，这不能怪翻译。翻译社应该让化工专业人员来翻译，甭管他是不是native English speaker，然后让native English speaker去polish，而不是相反。
至于某些有特殊背景的缩略语更会令年轻的翻译们找不着北，例如“一打三反”、“三忠于四无限”以及“五讲四美三热爱”等，而且这类名词还在不断出现，海峡两岸都是如此。这类名词如果直译，外国人看了肯定还是一头雾水。
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| Sometimes, it could be so strong | May 11, 2007 |
wherestip wrote:
I honestly don't remember the winds being so strong in Beijing, even during windstorms originated from Siberia
But it's indeed been so long ago.
pkchan wrote:
不好，到了宣武門的城門洞了。這時候，風給城門洞一逼緊，力量益發大，我真有點「寸步難移」。我只好掉轉頭，背 著風，採用「沈著應戰」的方略——乘它一休息，我就回身趕上進佔了幾步；它一來，我又掉轉頭，背著它，靜待著。照這樣的方略，支了三次，總算進了城。於是再用縴夫的走法，苦苦的奪路到了家。........
Steve,
According to my experience, sometimes, the wind in Beijing could get as strong as what the author described. However, most of the city walls and gate towers were torn down in Beijing when subway system was built during 1960’s. Young generations in Beijing would never have the "opportunities" to struggle through the gate towers during windstorms.
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| | | | Wenjer Leuschel (X)
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Yueyin Sun wrote:
有一次，翻译社要求我核对一篇据说是native English speaker翻译的中翻英化工论文（最后我决定不接这活）。其中一个化工习惯用语“三传一反”被译为"three passes and one turn”。学化工的都知道，“三传一反”是指“传热、传质、动量传递和化学反应”(heat transfer, mass transfer, momentum transfer and chemical reaction)。即使不如实译出，起码也应该译为"three transfers and one reaction”。当然，这不能怪翻译。翻译社应该让化工专业人员来翻译，甭管他是不是native English speaker，然后让native English speaker去polish，而不是相反。
至于某些有特殊背景的缩略语更会令年轻的翻译们找不着北，例如“一打三反”、“三忠于四无限”以及“五讲四美三热爱”等，而且这类名词还在不断出现，海峡两岸都是如此。这类名词如果直译，外国人看了肯定还是一头雾水。
非专业人士做翻译，很自然会发生那种状况。先讲专业，再讲母不母语。本末倒置，就是博士、大师翻译出来的东西也很令人头大。
至于某些有特殊背景的缩略语，台湾怎说还是不如中国能发明，最近在台湾有过什么“四不一没有”，陈水扁说给北京和老美听的，然后就又来了个“四要一没有”。我觉得真笨，要我的话，“统统都要，全部没有”。
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| Global Warming又一例？ | May 11, 2007 |
维基百科，自由的百科全书
『金兆梓（1899年─1975年），字子敦，号芚盦，浙江省金华县人，1889年7月12日生，中国现代语法学家，中国历史学家。他以研究史学和汉语语法、修辞为主，同时也从事文艺创作。12岁应县童子试，得案首，20岁毕业于杭州府中学堂，23岁毕业于京师大学堂预科，25岁肄业于天津北洋大学矿冶系。后在浙江省省立第七中学执教、任校长。31岁，在北... See more 维基百科，自由的百科全书
『金兆梓（1899年─1975年），字子敦，号芚盦，浙江省金华县人，1889年7月12日生，中国现代语法学家，中国历史学家。他以研究史学和汉语语法、修辞为主，同时也从事文艺创作。12岁应县童子试，得案首，20岁毕业于杭州府中学堂，23岁毕业于京师大学堂预科，25岁肄业于天津北洋大学矿冶系。后在浙江省省立第七中学执教、任校长。31岁，在北京高等师范学校任教。1922年到上海，入中华书局编辑所任文史编辑。编辑《新中学初级本国历史》教科书和《新中学教科书初级本国历史参考书》等。一年后离职。1929年，再进中华书局，任教科图书部主任、编辑所副所长。编辑中小学、普通师范及南洋中小学的课本，在抗日战争前，基本全部出版。1941年冬，离开上海。1942年，在重庆中华书局，任《新中华》杂志社社长、总编辑。1950年，退休，迁居苏州。被选为苏州市人大代表，苏州市副市长。1958年回上海，被中华书局复聘为中华书局上海编辑所主任。同时被选为上海市政协委员，兼任上海市文史馆馆长。1964年，因患脑血栓离职休养。“文化大革命”中横遭迫害。1975年6月15日在北京逝世。1979年2月，上海市政协为其彻底平反，恢复名誉。著作有《芚厂治学类稿》《实用国文修辞学》《现代中国外交史》《法国现代史》《实用国文修辞学》《中国史纲》，他在语法方面最重要的著作是《国文法之研究》（中华书局，1922年）。』
從《風雪中的北平》的題目上來看，應是金兆梓在49年之前寫的，是PK讀小學時語文科中的一課。如說現時的風沒有這麼大，大概是因環境變遷吧，從樂音兄所言，人為因素的影響亦不小。
http://www.bluetec.com.cn/asp/mymandarin/reading/beiping.htm
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wherestip
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Yueyin Sun wrote:
Steve,
According to my experience, sometimes, the wind in Beijing could get as strong as what the author described. However, most of the city walls and gate towers were torn down in Beijing when subway system was built during 1960’s. Young generations in Beijing would never have the "opportunities" to struggle through the gate towers during windstorms.
Yueyin,
Now that you mention it, it's coming back to me. Where we lived you'd feel less impact of the strong winds since there were no city walls nor gate towers around to contend with.
I was in NYC once when the wind was just blowing like crazy. It felt like being in a wind tunnel because of all the skyscrapers
| | | | ysun
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pkchan wrote:
從《風雪中的北平》的題目上來看，應是金兆梓在49年之前寫的，是PK讀小學時語文科中的一課。如說現時的風沒有這麼大，大概是因環境變遷吧，從樂音兄所言，人為因素的影響亦不小。
金兆梓的这篇文章确能勾起人们对老北京的怀念。
回想我在北京上大学时，在安定门城墙脚下还常能看见一群群拉大车的骆驼在那儿休息，车夫们则在那里啃窝窝头。如今的变化可真是天翻地覆！窝头也比馒头贵了。几十年来，北京盖起了无数摩天大楼，确实挡住了不少大风，但若在刮大风时在大楼之间的夹道行走，应该还能多少体会到金先生过宣武門城門洞的艰难。金先生说，“風給城門洞一逼緊，力量益發大，我真有點「寸步難移」”。这要是用流体力学的术语来说叫做节流效应。哈哈！
另外，北京冬春季节刮大风时，可别忘了《还珠格格》里的一句歌词：“你是风儿，我是沙！”北京的春天很美，但我最爱的还是北京金色的秋天！
| | | | ysun
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wherestip wrote:
I was in NYC once when the wind was just blowing like crazy. It felt like being in a wind tunnel because of all the skyscrapers
Steve,
现在北京的skyscrapers大概比纽约曼哈顿还要多，只是没那么集中而已。
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