French term
établissement fermé
The whole sentence is as follows:
"Ainsi très jeune, Jean commence un apprentissage de maçon dans un établissement fermé et réussit son CAP".
For more context, this is recounting a family history, taking place in France in the mid 1970's.
I am thinking maybe it is "in house", whereby the company trains them and then takes them on at the end of the apprenticeship?
Thanks in advance.
3 +6 | youth detention centre | Bourth |
4 | closed institution | Johannes Gleim |
2 | (City & Guilds-type) apprenticeship-skills boot camp | Adrian MM. |
Apr 30, 2024 12:15: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "établissment fermé" to "établissement fermé"
Apr 30, 2024 12:15: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "établissment fermé" to "établissement fermé"
Apr 30, 2024 23:09: philgoddard changed "Field" from "Tech/Engineering" to "Other" , "Field (write-in)" from "Building" to "(none)"
Proposed translations
closed institution
euromed-justice.eu
One of the most common transfers in this respect is the transfer from a closed to an open or a semi-open institution, which facilitates the preparation for release.
euromed-justice.eu
Le condamné à une peine d'emprisonnement de plus longue durée est d'abord placé en établissement fermé et ensuite en établissement ouvert.
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Those sentenced to longer terms are first committed to a closed institution and later transferred to an open institution.
localhosr
L'établissement fermé est d'habitude entouré d'une haute muraille et muni de divers dispositifs de sécurité pour empêcher les évasions et les contacts extérieures. [...]
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Closed institution are usually surrounded by a high wall and provided with various security measures to prevent escapes and outside contacts.
https://www.linguee.com/french-english/translation/établisse...
La nécessité de protéger les enfants en question a été invoquée pour justifier leur incarcération dans un établissement fermé.
The need to protect them has been offered as the justification for incarcerating such children in a closed institution.
J'imaginais alors qu'une maison de retraite était un établissement fermé, à l'instar d'un hôpital psychiatrique.
I had imagined that a nursing home is a closed institution, similar to a psychiatric clinic.
Le SPT recommande que toute personne amenée dans établissement fermé soit examinée dès son admission par un médecin indépendant compétent.
The SPT recommends that any person brought to a closed institution must be examined by a competent independent medical practitioner upon admission.
https://context.reverso.net/translation/french-english/établ...
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Closed institution
A closed organization that is set apart from the rest of society, forms an all-encompassing social environment, and serves as the only source of meeting the needs of its members.
https://www.healthbenefitstimes.com/glossary/closed-institut...
Prison and other closed institutions
• Stockholm University
• Research
• Research subjects
• Chriminology
In addition to the prison, this research area includes institutions such as special youth homes and institutions with closed youth care or closed substance abuse care
https://www.su.se/english/research/research-subjects/chrimin...
Prisons are either closed or open institutions.
Open institutions include open prisons, labour colonies and other penal institutions which the criminal sanctions agency has ordered to function as open institutions. Open prisons are independent institutions whereas open prison units function administratively under some closed institutions.
https://stat.fi/meta/kas/rangaistuslaito_en.html
Please note that the transcript and certificate files received from closed institutions are sometimes incomplete. As such, failure to locate an academic record from a closed institution does not invalidate the student’s claim of attendance or the completion of a course or program of study.
https://www.tn.gov/thec/bureaus/student-aid-and-compliance/p...
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philgoddard
: But they're not relevant. Your last one, for example, refers to schools that have shut down.
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See other refs. like: "Closed institution are usually surrounded by a high wall and provided with various security measures "
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youth detention centre
https://www.cairn.info/revue-le-sociographe-2015-5-page-55.h...
"L'adolescent de 16 ans qui a roué de coups sa professeure d'anglais en plein cours, le 7 décembre dernier, dans le lycée Gustave Eiffel, à Reims, a été placé en centre éducatif fermé, ainsi que sous contrôle judiciaire dans l'attente de son procès, a-t-on appris ce lundi."
What as a boy I knew, from a distance, as 'borstal':
" borstal in British English1. (formerly in Britain) an informal name for an establishment in which offenders aged 15 to 21 could be detained for corrective training. Since the Criminal Justice Act 1982, they have been replaced by youth custody centres (now known as young offender institutions) "
Or youth detention centre:
"Highly effective schools within juvenile facilities provide high school curriculum, opportunities for General Equivalency Diploma (GED) preparation, special education services, certified teachers, small student to teacher ratio, connection with families, and vocational training opportunities"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_detention_center#Special...
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Au moyen d’une enquête ethnographique en établissement fermé pour mineurs, ce travail propose une analyse d’une forme de traitement institutionnel des illégalismes au prisme des expériences institutionnelles des acteurs. La recherche se focalise notamment sur la relation entre intervenants socio-éducatifs et mineurs, en tant qu’expérience commune dans le cadre de pratiques professionnelles et d’un espace contraint. Ce travail s’appuie sur trois ans d’enquête menée dans un Centre éducatif fermé (CEF) et un Établissement pénitentiaire pour mineurs (EPM).
https://theses.fr/2020REN20020
Based on an ethnographic survey in Custodial Institutions for Juveniles, this thesis aims to analyze a form of treatment of illegalisms through the scope of institutional experiences. Among other perspectives, the research focuses on the relationship between socio educational actors and juveniles, as a common experience in the context of professional practices and constrained environments. This work is based on a three years’ research achieved in a Custodial Education Facility (CEF) and in a Young Offender Institution (EPM)
https://theses.fr/2020REN20020
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Kim Metzger
: https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g09/414/26/pdf/g09414...
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philgoddard
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AllegroTrans
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Schtroumpf
: Absolument !
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Emmanuella
: les CEF ont été créés en 2002 ( cf. votre reference. Nous sommes dans les années 1970.
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Andrew Bramhall
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Simon Charass
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(City & Guilds-type) apprenticeship-skills boot camp
No hurdling prowess required, though Feltham Borstal aka Young Offenders' Insitutional boys - on escaping - sure could jump over those garden fences in nearby villages of Sunbury and Walton on Thames.
City & Guilds: 'can I PLEASE refrain from Anglocentric equating with UK qualifications'.
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USA: Juvenile boot camp programs typically exclude some types of offenders, but only a very few limit eligibility to those who are nonviolent or first-time offenders
Reference comments
Établissement fermé
https://www.mfr-chatte.org/formations-5-6-cap-maconnerie.htm...
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https://lyc-lecorbusier-cormeilles.ac-versailles.fr/les-form...
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Anastasia Kalantzi
: https://www.btpcfa.com/formations/formations-en-apprentissag...
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Merci Anastasia
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philgoddard
: This looks interesting but, once again, you've just given a bunch of links without explaining their relevance.//As far as I can see, neither of your references says anything about 'établissement fermé'.
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Établissement fermé est un terme utilisé par l'auteur introuvable en français
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Schtroumpf
: En 45 ans, je n'ai jamais entendu qu'un internat serait appelé établissement ou centre fermé !
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Il y a plusieurs types d'Internat et j'ai 70 ans https://www.allo-education.fr/etablissements/internat/pensio...
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Adrian MM.
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youth detention center
230. The Ministry of Labour and Social Protection, in collaboration with the international NGO “Children’s Legal Centre” and UNICEF, has provided teachers and instructors in the Special Vocational and Technical Institute (a secure institution for boys aged 14 to 18) with training in the unacceptability of the use of corporal punishment and the art of instilling in the pupils a discipline not based on recourse to violence. https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g09/414/25/pdf/g09414...
Discussion
Voilà pourquoi j'ai pensé à une sorte de pensionnat/internat comme il en existait à l'époque.
Les Centres de Formation des Apprentis (CFA) sont des organismes de formation certifiés qui préparent au contrat d’apprentissage.
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Un apprenti conclu un contrat de travail en alternance avec une entreprise, appelé « contrat d’apprentissage », à durée déterminée (CDD) ou indéterminée (CDI). Beaucoup plus fréquent dans le secteur privé, un contrat d’apprentissage peut également être conclu dans la fonction publique sous le nom de PACTE et comprend alors des dispositions particulières.
https://www.alternance-professionnelle.fr/cfa-centres-format...
L’approbation d’Anastasia est donc erronée.
Le lien BTPCFA fourni par Anastasia ne mentionne d'ailleurs pas le terme "fermé".
Be that as it may, I see myself confirmed in considering this as a generic term for an institution with closed gates and walls and translate it correspondingly as "closed/closed institution". I have cited many examples in my proposal and in the discussion where young people are employed, learning or doing an apprenticeship or vocational training.
Les pensions/ internats des années 1970 étaient bien des centres plus ou moins fermés ou l'on était élevé 'à la trique. L'Asker a donné des précisions dont il faut tenir compte.
J'ai fort bien saisi le sens de votre commentaire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Hatfield
Education at the prison is provided by Milton Keynes College and courses offered include: Literacy and Numeracy; Social & Life Skills; Communication & Application of Number; ESOL; Practical Crafts; Visual Art; Cookery; Information Technology; Painting and Decorating; Woodwork; Horticulture; Cleaning Science; Physical Education; and Music.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Brinsford
The regime at Lincoln includes production workshops, charity workshops, laundry, education, vocational training courses and Offending behaviour courses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Lincoln
https://esd.dof.ca.gov/Documents/bcp/2122/FY2122_ORG5225_BCP...
The teach-out activity may be conducted by the closing institution in order to provide an opportunity to enrolled students to complete their programs or may be conducted by other institutions who permit students from the closing or closed institution to complete their programs at their institution.
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The commenter provided Department of Labor (DOL) data showing that DOL proposed to create “standards recognition entities” (SREs) that would act like accrediting agencies to approve apprenticeship programs.
https://www.regulations.gov/document/ED-2018-OPE-0076-0844
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t was therefore proposed that the existing areas for activities in prisons (production, maintenance work and education) be supplemented with a new area, to be known as "production schools", which would correspond to the "production schools" for young people that were part of the state education system.
http://norden.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:701860/FULLTEX...
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In all types of "closed prisonthe training of the prisoners is based on trust and self-discipline with maximum of association and responsibility. This may also be said of the regime in a closed training prison, but in open conditions prisoners are more exposed to the pressures of ordinary life, and the opportunity to escape calls for greater self-control.
https://www.unodc.org/documents/congress//Previous_Congresse...
If it were in Switzerland, it would mean a prison!
As it's in France, I'm inclined to think it might mean the students stay at the school all the time for their training, rather than the usual mixture of school lessons and apprenticeship in a company.
I could be completely wrong of course.