Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

1 sachet de sucre vanillé

English translation:

1 sachet vanilla sugar / 1 tsp vanilla extract

Added to glossary by Hattie Hill
Jan 19, 2006 15:42
18 yrs ago
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French term

1 sachet de sucre vanillé

French to English Other Cooking / Culinary measurements
How many teaspoons of vanilla or vanilla extract = 1 sachet? I've done a bit of research and find that the average "sachet" contains around 70 g of sucre vanillé. This question was a Kudoz a couple of years ago (see below) but I really disagree with the answer that was chosen (1 Tablespoon).

I think that 1 sachet roughly equals 1 teaspoon...Qu'est-ce que vous en pensez ? Merci à l'avance !

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/355596?rifle_url=355596,355603,355...

FYI: This is for a clafoutis recipe.
1 lb raspberries
1/4 cup cornstarch
2 cups sugar
2 **sachet de sucre vanillé**
2 eggs and 2 yolks
1 cup heavy cream
1 cup milk
1 Tbs. butter
1 pinch salt.

Discussion

RHELLER Jan 26, 2006:
Warning on glossary entry: American Heritage Dictionary does not include this usage for sachet = A small packet of perfumed powder used to scent clothes, as in trunks or closets.
Tamara Salvio Jan 19, 2006:
Needlessly redundent, but you get the picture ;-).
Tamara Salvio Jan 19, 2006:
I bake alot from both French & American cookbooks, and for your recipe 2 teaspoons of vanilla extract is just right, although you could say 1 - 2 tsp. and leave it to reader preference. No need to complicate matters needlessly by mentioning the sugar.
RHELLER Jan 19, 2006:
Hattie, I have also listed the equivalence of vanilla sugar to vanilla - that should be the option :-)
Sue Pasco (X) Jan 19, 2006:
how about putting "optional" in brackets after this ingredient ;-)
Hattie Hill (asker) Jan 19, 2006:
I'm editing a cookbook translation and I'm afraid that vanilla sugar won't be available everywhere....
RHELLER Jan 19, 2006:
I did some recipe translation work last year. I converted all metric measurements into U.S. measurements which are easily available on google: conversion followed by ounce teaspoon whatever. Get out your calculateur :-)HTH
RHELLER Jan 19, 2006:
Yes, we can get it in big cities in good grocery stores; the ones that carry cr�me fraiche, for example.
Dr Sue Levy (X) Jan 19, 2006:
"of real vanilla essence". Most of the recipes in my best cookbook call for 1 tsp vanilla, except the cr�me brul�e which has 2.
Hattie Hill (asker) Jan 19, 2006:
Do you Americans out there really see vanilla sugar in the States?? Peut-�tre que je me trompe...
Hattie Hill (asker) Jan 19, 2006:
That's what I meant, 7g and not 70g
Dr Sue Levy (X) Jan 19, 2006:
The normal sachet of sucr� vanill� contains 7.5g of sugar, flavoured with either real or synthetic vanilla. The French brand I am familiar with is not particularly strong. I should think that 1 teaspoon on real vanilla essence would equal 2 sachets.
Rachel Fell Jan 19, 2006:
For pure vanilla essence I'd say the equivalent to one sachet would be about 2-3 drops max.
Hattie Hill (asker) Jan 19, 2006:
I'm gonna use a teaspoon. I think that my non-French speaking friends and family probably wouldn't know what vanilla sugar was....
Tamara Salvio Jan 19, 2006:
I agree that the sachet contains around one tablespoon (but for levure chimique it depends on the brand - Alsa is more like 2-1/2 tsp.)... but as for its equivalent in flavoring power, personally I use one teaspoon of vanilla extract as asker says.
LydieC Jan 19, 2006:
i have just looked on a sachet de levure chimique in my kitchen, and it really would fit in a tablespoon i.e 11g which should be close to sucre vanille that comes in the same format.

Proposed translations

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5 mins
French term (edited): 1 sachet de sucre vanill�
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1 sachet vanilla sugar

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Note added at 8 mins (2006-01-19 15:50:17 GMT)
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It is normally sold in sachets, but I would put the volume of a sachet at a tablespoon maximum. However it isn't vanilla or vanilla extract, but sugar that has been flavoured by being stored with a vanilla pod in it, in my opinion :-)
Peer comment(s):

agree Alison High : the weight is in the sugar, not in the vanilla essence --- and vanilla essence is stronger, so a teaspoon would probably do it
9 mins
thanks!
agree Sylvia Smith : I have yet to receive my Michelin stars, but this sounds right to me :)
10 mins
thanks!
agree Alison Jenner : definitely
15 mins
thanks!
agree SusanMurray : Checked on the sachet and what I buy weighs in at 7.5g/sachet and like you say Susan, it is probably about a tablespoonful :-)
15 mins
thanks!
agree Linda Young (X) : Some sugar is flavoured by a vanilla pod, but you can actually buy a sahet of vanilla sugar in France, and it comes in the same format as yeast, so i would imagine the same measurement
17 mins
thanks!
agree Aisha Maniar
33 mins
agree Claire Cox : I make my own vanilla sugar in a jar with a vanilla pod, so surely some Americans do the same! Maybe you could say i sachet of vanilla sugar (or 1 tsp vanilla extract)
36 mins
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : Again, whilst you may flavour your own you can buy these in sachets, as has been said, tiny things, harldy more than a teaspoonful !
46 mins
agree Enza Longo
50 mins
neutral emiledgar : Sucre vanille does NOT exist in the US. I would say a half tsp of extract would be plenty for this recipe
2 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I don't think we'll ever come to a consensus with this one. Most recipes in the States (cookies, cakes) call for 1 tsp of vanilla so I'm gonna stick with that. I'll have to look for vanilla sugar when I move back to the States in April! Merci à tous !"
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28 mins
French term (edited): 1 sachet de sucre vanill�

1 3/4 teaspoon vanilla sugar

1 3/4 teaspoon vanilla sugar ( 7.4 g = 1.75 tsp approx)
U.S. teaspoon measurement is standardized for cooking/baking

réf. 17124

10 SUCRE VANILLE VAHINE SACHS7,5G
10 sachets x 7,5 g

http://www.telemarket.fr/mkg/sucre_vanille_vahine.htm?codeAf...

4.2 g per teaspoon granulated sugar
6.3g = 1.5 tsp
7.4 g = 1.75 tsp approx
8.4 g = 2 tsp


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Note added at 31 mins (2006-01-19 16:13:12 GMT)
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Note: 1 tablespoon = 2 sachets (7.5 g)
Sugar
1 cup = 200 grams
1 tablespoon = 15 grams
http://www.theworldwidegourmet.com/general/conversion.htm

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Note added at 33 mins (2006-01-19 16:15:52 GMT)
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One pouch of Dr. Oetker Vanilla Sugar is equivalent to 1 - 2 tsp of vanilla extract.
www.oetker.ca/cgi-bin/WebObjects/oetker.woa/ wa/page?focus=US&option=prd_920&destination=page_36
Peer comment(s):

agree SusanMurray : Hello Rita, I guess we use the same brand of vanilla sugar :-))
2 mins
Hi Susan, I will take any brand I can get, but I admit that I bake rarely now with the children grown plus we have several good patisseries :-)
agree Dr Sue Levy (X) : yes, 1-2 tsp vanilla extract - big difference between brands there too!
28 mins
thanks sister :-)
neutral Tony M : But Rita - a 'neutral' is not a criticism; I can't 'agree' cos my own knowledge is different (and I've been baking for nearly 40 years too! and French clafoutis for 10 of them...) // LOVE the photo!
5 hrs
pure vanilla extract - your essence is more concentrated - that is not a reason to give me a neutral. I have been baking for almost 40 years.
agree Mark Nathan : careful Dusty, vanilla flavourings can be a very personal issue, full of childhood memories
6 hrs
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55 mins
French term (edited): 1 sachet de sucre vanill�

vanilla flavoured sugar ; vanilla essence

Discovered this over 20 years ago. Didn't even know it existed before coming to France. Those tiny pink sachets of the stuf contain barely more than a teaspoonful. The aim really is to add flavour. Although you can flavour your own as already indicated, for practical purposes, UK folks would not bother with the extra sugar (what's one tspn between clafoutis-eaters?!) and just add a couple of drops of vanilla essence instead. Practical rather than purist but understandabe for your target.
Peer comment(s):

agree Tony M
4 hrs
agree frenchloki (X) : absolutely
5 hrs
agree Rachel Fell
16 hrs
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1 hr
French term (edited): 1 sachet de sucre vanill�

1 packet of vanilla flavored sugar

They actually come in 5 gr. packets. About 1 tablespoon of powder like substance that is sweet with the vanilla flavour.
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1 hr
French term (edited): 1 sachet de sucre vanill�

1 tbsp sugar + 3 drops essence

I would say that the contents of one sachet DOES indeed = approx. a tablespoon --- but for heaven's sake don't try putting that much vanilla in! 2 or 3 drops of essence should be plenty, you could err on the higher side with 'real', but NOT with 'artificial'

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Note added at 5 hrs (2006-01-19 21:12:33 GMT)
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Rita and others have pointed out that 1 sachet = 7½ g which is about ¼ oz i.e. ¼ of a level tbsp of caster sugar (so my Mum always said)

As Nikki has pointed out, adding the extra amount of sugar is irrelevant, what really counts is just the vanilla essence or whatever.

Odd idea to put cornstarch in a clafoutis, for heaven's sake! My neighbour would throw up her hands in horror at the idea --- and she makes THE BEST clafoutis!



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Note added at 16 hrs (2006-01-20 08:27:33 GMT)
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Rita seems surprised by my query-raising 'neutral', but as I say, it seems as if US van. extract is weaker than UK essence.

From mnay years of using recipes in the UK, we almost invariably talk about using 'vanilla essence' just a few drops at a time; it is so powerful, using it by the teaspoon would be overbearing, unless you were making several pints of custard or something...

So it seems to me that there must be a great deal of difference between the strength of US 'vanilla extract' and our UK (and European in general) 'essence'.

That might sound a word of warning for your recipe translation --- if this is for either a US or A UK readership, you can choose one or the other; if not, then you would be well advised to highlight this difference, otherwise someone is going to be mighty disappointed!

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Note added at 16 hrs (2006-01-20 08:31:38 GMT)
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Thanks, Mark; for that word of caution; I entirely agree, but the fact remains, quickly looking through a selection of my dozens of UK recipe books, they almost unanimously talk about vanilla essence in 'drops' -- and I don't believe this is a general difference in UK/US tastes, but rather represents, as I've said, a transatlantic difference in the flavouring product itself.

From the format of her recipe so far, it seems that Hattie must be after the US solution, but I'd like to register my point for the benefit of future users of the glossary who might possibly need a European solution --- we're quite good at baking over here too you know!


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Note added at 16 hrs (2006-01-20 08:36:56 GMT)
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Hattie, as you so rightly say, you need to translate your recipe for the benefit of those poor, disadvantaged souls who may not have access to the 'real thing', and as others have said before me, the actual amount of additional sugar is negligible, I think you could ignore that, and simply go for the vanilla flavouring (you could always add "or 1 sachet vanilla sugar if available").

But do be wary of this difference in strength; it's just one of many AE / BE traps that people might not be too aware of.


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Note added at 1 day5 hrs (2006-01-20 21:06:30 GMT)
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As far as the UK is concerned, the term 'vanilla essence' is, I believe, reserved for REAL vanilla --- what Rita and others seem to be suggesting is called 'extract' in the US.

'vanilla flavouring' is the artificial variety.

But as far as I know, both 'flavouring' and 'essence' have similar strength in the UK (and France), but the US extract seems weaker.

Perhaps it is a question of the degree of refinement / distillation, or however it is produced...
Peer comment(s):

agree Rachel Fell : (not a dig!) my view, as per above note - like the new pic. :)
1 hr
Thanks, Rachel! Sorry, was in a rush and didn't read through all notes... Glad you like it!
agree Mark Nathan : yes, I am fairly sure that "vanilla flavouring" is weaker than "vanilla essence".
1 day 3 hrs
Thanks, Mark! Please see added note above...
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5006 days

Vanille Sucre

I bought Alsa suche Vanille sachets in Paris last May. A L'extract naturel de vanille. The taste seems to be an artificial powdered sugar that tastes bitter. Is this the way it's supposed to taste? Im afraid to use it. Thanks!!
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