Feb 10, 2021 10:34
3 yrs ago
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Arabic term
البرطمة
Arabic to English
Social Sciences
Education / Pedagogy
The meaning of البرطمة in general and as a gesture in particular. No context is given.
Proposed translations
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5 +4 | pouting | Fuad Yahya |
3 +3 | Mumbling to oneself | Rasha Ellithy |
5 | Puffiness his lips in anger | ahmed badawy |
5 | anger overload | Z-Translations Translator |
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Proposed translations
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pouting
To pout is to push one's lips (typically the bottom lip) forward, usually as an expression of unhappiness, but could also be for other reasons, as, for example, to make oneself look more attractive.
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Youssef Chabat
: Mr. Fuad nice to have you back.
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Much obliged. How kind of you!
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Mahmoud Ibrahim
: التلفظ بكلام غير مفهوم (بالمصري)
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Thanks. I didn't know this word is used in this sense, but I can see how it can be ("mumbling to oneself," especially when unhappy, as Rasha suggested). It reminds me of Hattie McDaniel ("Mamie") in a particular scene in "Gone with the Wind."
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Morano El-Kholy
: OR: Frowning. https://www.aleqt.com/2016/01/21/article_1023429.html
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Thanks for the article. A good read!
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Ludina Sallam
: Maybe "pouting and grumbling."
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Hi Ludina. In the Arabic dialect I grew up with, البرطمة is used for "pouting" (see the article cited by Morano), while الحرطمة is used for "grumbling" or for "being disgruntled."
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Saleh Dardeer
: Given the limited context " البرطمة in general and as a gesture in particular", I vote for this. In my Egyptian dialect, it is a synonym of the word حلطمة in the Gulf region
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Thanks, Saleh. Indeed, the indication that the word described a "gesture" was the reason I felt "pouting" was the most likely meaning. In my hometown, we say حرطمة rather than حلطمة. You hear people say زوجتي متحرطمة or لا تتحرطم علي, and so on.
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Mumbling to oneself
In Egypt we say it to indicate mumbling to oneself, usually un in exasperation and annoyance.
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Morano El-Kholy
: Yes, another good option.
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Thank you very much!
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Mai Saleh
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Thank you very much!
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Ludina Sallam
: Maybe it could also be "grumbling to oneself."
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Yes, this will also convey the meaning well. Thank you very much!
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Puffiness his lips in anger
Puffiness his lips in anger قلَب شَفَتَيْه غيظًا
/Buzzing رطن
/Spoke what not understand تكلّم بما لا يُفهم
/Buzzing رطن
/Spoke what not understand تكلّم بما لا يُفهم
Reference:
http://wiki.dorar-aliraq.net/lisan-alarab/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B7%D9%85
https://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B7%D9%85%D9%87/
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anger overload
ـ البَرْطَمَةُ: الانْتِفَاخُ غَضَباً.
www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/بَرْطَمَة/
"The term anger overload is used to refer to the intense anger response which has been the presenting problem for a number of young children"
www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/anger-overload/
www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/بَرْطَمَة/
"The term anger overload is used to refer to the intense anger response which has been the presenting problem for a number of young children"
www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/anger-overload/
Discussion
In Egypt, at least in Alexandria, they say بايز to mean something is "messed up" or "broken" and they say باز to mean something "broke" or "got messed up." I wonder if this is related to the slang word for pouting مبوِّز
Yes! Here in Upper Egypt صعيد مصر, the word خشم means mouth as well. If I say the Gulf Arabic expression على خشمي they would not get easily unless they are familiar with the Gulf culture.
Incidentally, the word for mouth in the Sudanese dialect is خشم, which, in the Gulf region, denotes "nose." I also believe that براطم is used in the Sudan for "lips," just as it is used in the Gulf region. I hope I am not mistaken about that.
والعلاقة بين المعنى الأصلي لبراطم والمعنى المتداول في مصر هي المجاز إذ بين التذمر والشفاه علاقة آلية فالشفاة آلة التذمرأو علاقة تلازم فلا تذمر دون مد الشفاه في غضب والتفوه بصوت منخفض
To elaborate further, where I grew up, lips are called براطم when you want to indicate either fullness or when they are mentioned in the context of being unhappy. But when I worked as a medical interpreter at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, I noticed that patients from U.A.E. referred to lips as براطم in any context. The word was pretty neutral to them. It had no special connotations. A patient, for instance, would refer to her own lips as براطم. I found that unusual at the time (about 20 years ago). Now I now better.