Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

gli stati africani, che PUR NON DISPONENDO di scrittura

English translation:

the African states, although their populations could not write

Added to glossary by Tom in London
Sep 18, 2008 09:27
15 yrs ago
Italian term

pur non avendo

Italian to English Science Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
in effettiabbiamo il caso di strutture come gli stati africani, che PUR NON DISPONENDO di scrittura, possedevano forme di registrazione.
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Sep 18, 2008 09:27: changed "Kudoz queue" from "In queue" to "Public"

Sep 20, 2008 16:11: Tom in London Created KOG entry

Discussion

Tom in London Sep 18, 2008:
A state cannot "have writing". Possibly the writer was trying to say (very stupidly) "African states, although their populations could not write, did possess other forms of registration". This translation retains the stupidity of the original :)

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African states, although their populations could not write, did possess other forms of registration

See my note
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agree Nadia Ayoub
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even though they do not have

Maybe a little more context would be good - but how is this ?
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while they .....

This is a way of getting round the term.

Alison
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event though they had no written forms

I this that a good explanation of what the writer is trying to communicate can be found in the link below.
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although they did not have

"which although they did not have writing. did possess other forms of keeping records"
Note "records" for "registrazione"
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some African States, which despite not having writing systems of their own,

compliled records using alternative means/ used alternative means of recording ...

Perhaps what is meant is that these nations did not have a common writing system rather than that they were 'unable' to write?
Tom is right: a nation cannot possess 'writing' but it can have a 'writing system'.

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... such as some African states, which ....
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