Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Hungarian term or phrase:
zsellér család
English translation:
landless peasant family
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JANOS SAMU
Aug 14, 2010 12:33
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zsellér család
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The term appears in a 1720 census. I am translating the history of a village. I wrote 'peasant family' in my draft but wonder if anyone has a more accurate (but still succinct) phrase.
Proposed translations
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| 5 | landless peasant family |
JANOS SAMU
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| 4 +1 | cottar family |
Tünde Lőrincz
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| 4 +1 | villein family |
János Untener
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landless peasant family
Let's start wiht the definition of the "zsellér". These were peasants who did not have any land to provide for their family so they worked for others. Even today there are millions of those around the world.
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Comment: "thanks yes I just popped in the 'landless'"
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Tünde Lőrincz
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cottar family
This might be an elligible term, I would use it. Howerver, as far as I know cottar is a Scottish word. So, if you like, peasant will also do.
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Ildiko Santana
: zsellér = cotter, cottar, "tenant farmer" (from Middle English "cot") http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cotter
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Elevenít (X)
: De ez majdnem tájszólási szó, nem? Sőt, csak a skóciai hegyvidék területén való. Azért mondom, mert hat évig éltem tartósan Skóciában, és nekem majdnem egy idegennyelv a skóciai beszéd.
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villein family
én a villein szót ismertem, a MW szótár szerint
1 : a free common villager or village peasant of any of the feudal classes lower in rank than the thane
2 : a free peasant of a feudal class higher in rank than a cotter
3 : an unfree peasant standing as the slave of a feudal lord but free in legal relations with respect to all others
probably there is not much difference between cotter, suggested above, and villein, according to 2nd definition of MW villein is a higher class than cotter, so the context you use should be the guide which one you choose
"villein." Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2010.
Merriam-Webster Online. 14 August 2010
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/villein>
1 : a free common villager or village peasant of any of the feudal classes lower in rank than the thane
2 : a free peasant of a feudal class higher in rank than a cotter
3 : an unfree peasant standing as the slave of a feudal lord but free in legal relations with respect to all others
probably there is not much difference between cotter, suggested above, and villein, according to 2nd definition of MW villein is a higher class than cotter, so the context you use should be the guide which one you choose
"villein." Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2010.
Merriam-Webster Online. 14 August 2010
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/villein>
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Elevenít (X)
: Mostanában a 'serf' szó jobb de nem létezett 1761 előtt. A középkorban 'bordars', 'serfs' és 'villein' volt lehetséges, mert külön, pontosan érthető rangú parasztak voltak. 1720-ban szerintem csak 'villein' lenne megfelelő ennek a jelentésével.
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