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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

armateur gérant

English translation:

Commercial Vessel Operator and ship-owner / ship-owner and shore-based manager

Added to glossary by Drmanu49
Feb 8, 2007 11:37
17 yrs ago
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French term

armateur gérant

French to English Other Ships, Sailing, Maritime Wording of SOLAS convention
Expert report on marine casualty, referring to SOLAS Convention chapter IX rule 1: "Il est à noter que le texte anglais de cette règle diffère du texte français en ce qu'il autorise la délégation de l'application du code ISM au "gérant" et pas seulement à l'armateur gérant". I find "company" in several English definitions relating to this text, with the explanation that this can be the vessel operator. Written in French by an Italian.
Proposed translations (English)
4 Commercial Vessel Operator and ship-owner / ship-owner and shore-based manager
4 +2 Managing (ship)owner
4 charterer
3 Managing owner

Proposed translations

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Commercial Vessel Operator and ship-owner / ship-owner and shore-based manager

management of ships with shore-based management and. control systems, both owner-oriented and regulatory, and ship-. to-ship communications. ...
ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel2/4469/12662/00585736.pdf?arnumber=585736 -

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You may apply for a Vessel Permit or a Commercial Vessel Operator Permit in one ... Read this for "Procedures on Declaring Lobster Conservation Management ...
www.nero.noaa.gov/permits/ - 22
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Having read various Maritime Codes and definitions, it appears to be this, although often "Company" is used, which seems very ambiguous, particularly in the context of a lawsuit. Thanks."
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charterer

Armateur gérant: armateur qui n'est pas propriétaire du navire qu'il arme.
http://www.patrimoine-de-france.org/mots/mots-acade-6-2531.h...

Royal & SunAlliance - Marine Terms & Abbreviations
... the insurable interest is vested in the carrier (shipowner or charterer). ... On 1 July 1998 when Chapter IX of the SOLAS Convention came into operation ...
www.royalsun.com/royalsun/ms/onestopcargo/glossary/marinete...


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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-02-08 13:37:54 GMT)
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'operator' is another option

Marine Notice 10-2005The revised SOLAS Chapter V Regulation 19.2.1.4 states that all ships ... If a ship is equipped with ECDIS, the shipowner or operator has a duty to ensure ...
www.amsa.gov.au/shipping_safety/marine_notices/2005/MN10-20...


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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-02-08 13:39:59 GMT)
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This links to 'charterer' via 'affréteur':

Armateur : le propriétaire du navire ou toute autre entité ou personne, telle que l'armateur gérant ou l'affréteur coque nue, à laquelle l'armateur a confié ...
europa.eu/scadplus/leg/fr/cha/c10819.htm

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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-02-08 13:46:27 GMT)
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I think 'operator' is probably the best option because it does not state what kind of relationship there is, or is not, between the ownership of the boat and its operation.

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This document backs up Miranda's answer 'managing owner':

http://www.univ-brest.fr/sealex/docs/memoires_docs/Blacodon_...
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Managing (ship)owner

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/seafaq3-shipowner-or-managing-own...

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http://www.marine-marchande.com/glossaire12.htm
This glossary gives the same translation as I found earlier. There are also a few explanations.



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Some interesting texts on the notion of "owner"
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:_8ltpn1NI8UJ:www.cdmt.d...

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It is worth noting that the Merchant Shipping Act (UK) refers to managing owner
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1988/Ukpga_19880012_en_6.htm
Peer comment(s):
agree Graham macLachlan : wholeheartedly ;-)//now there's a surprise!
1 hr
Thanks :-)
agree Assimina Vavoula
2 hrs
Thanks
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Managing owner

Ships are usually owned by an obscure company with no real assets in a convenient jurisidiction (Panama, Liberia, etc), where company details are difficult to obtain. They will be managed on a day-to-day basis by a management company to which the owning company will (on paper) have given a power of attorney - such company is often the embodiment of the true owners. I used to practise as a shipping lawyer, and the first response of the management company when there was a problem would be "Don't bother us, we're managing agents only". "Managing owner" would therefore cover this situation nicely.
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