Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
archevêché
English translation:
archbishop's palace / bishop's house
Added to glossary by
NancyLynn
Mar 7, 2008 14:33
16 yrs ago
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French term
archevêché
French to English
Art/Literary
Religion
L'Archevêché, à la droite de la Cathédrale sur l'illustration et dont la façade fait face à la rivière, fut construit en 1800.
Archbishopric appears to be the territory or district, not the building, in the references I found in Google.
Archbishopric appears to be the territory or district, not the building, in the references I found in Google.
Proposed translations
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| 4 +7 | archbishop's palace |
Tony M
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| 5 +3 | Archbishopric, archdiocese/ architecture: Archbishop's house |
swanda
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Change log
Mar 7, 2008 14:42: Fabio Descalzi changed "Language pair" from "English to French" to "French to English"
Proposed translations
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archbishop's palace
Yes, Nancy, I've always understood 'bishopric' to refer to both the see, and the actual house itself, but oddly , NS OED doesn't list this meaning.
Usually, in terms of bishops, but even more so in the case of archbishops, I think we refer to it as the '(arch)bishop's palace' — I suppose it won't always be quite grand enough to justify that, but I think for an archb., it's probably a fairly safe bet.
cf, for example:
Maidstone
The Archbishop's Palace was formally the 14th century residence of the ... The River Medway with riverside walks bounds the Archbishop's Palace to the rear. ...
www.kent.gov.uk/Community/births-marriages-and-deaths/our-s...
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Over 64k Ghits would seem to suggest the term is fairly widespread.
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Note added at 19 mins (2008-03-07 14:53:20 GMT)
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Incidentally, this is also the translation suggested by Robert + Collins.
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Note added at 21 mins (2008-03-07 14:55:02 GMT)
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Ahem... apologies for Maidstone Council's typo: it should of course be 'formerly'!
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Note added at 22 mins (2008-03-07 14:55:53 GMT)
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In EN, it is traditional to refer to it as a 'palace', be it e'er so humble.
Usually, in terms of bishops, but even more so in the case of archbishops, I think we refer to it as the '(arch)bishop's palace' — I suppose it won't always be quite grand enough to justify that, but I think for an archb., it's probably a fairly safe bet.
cf, for example:
Maidstone
The Archbishop's Palace was formally the 14th century residence of the ... The River Medway with riverside walks bounds the Archbishop's Palace to the rear. ...
www.kent.gov.uk/Community/births-marriages-and-deaths/our-s...
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Note added at 19 mins (2008-03-07 14:52:40 GMT)
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Over 64k Ghits would seem to suggest the term is fairly widespread.
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Note added at 19 mins (2008-03-07 14:53:20 GMT)
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Incidentally, this is also the translation suggested by Robert + Collins.
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Note added at 21 mins (2008-03-07 14:55:02 GMT)
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Ahem... apologies for Maidstone Council's typo: it should of course be 'formerly'!
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Note added at 22 mins (2008-03-07 14:55:53 GMT)
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In EN, it is traditional to refer to it as a 'palace', be it e'er so humble.
Peer comment(s):
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Michael GREEN
: Not heard "bishopric" used for the actual building before, but I don't have many bishops among my friends. Good ol' DHO makes a clear distinction between all three for archevêché (archbishopric, archdiocese, archbishop's palace).
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Yes, thanks, Michael! In the past, I may have misunderstood it out of context
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Rachel Fell
: must be, if it's a building
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Thanks, Rachel!
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Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
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Thanks, Patricia!
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gabuss
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Merci, gabuss !
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wordbridge
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Thanks, Victor!
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ACOZ (X)
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Thanks, ACOZ!
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Salima Post
: You are right. It was a mistake of mine. Sorry!
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Thanks, Morgan! No worries :-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to all. I think that in the colonies, where a log cabin might be used for this structure, the term "house" might be sufficient. However, I agree that the grander term is commonly used for Archbishops."
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Archbishopric, archdiocese/ architecture: Archbishop's house
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Peer comment(s):
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Jean-Claude Gouin
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thanks!
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Jean-Christophe Helary
: archbishop's house, for small cathedrals.
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thanks!
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Salima Post
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thanks Morgan
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Michael GREEN
: As Tony pointed out, in EN it is always a "palace", regardless of its size (not many archbishops in Uk these days ...).Not sure about the rest of the EN-speaking world. / So even Larousse makes mistakes :)
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translation Archbishop's house: ref dictionnaire Larousse
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Discussion
= charge: archbishopric
= palais: archbishop's palace
Le Grand Robert and Collins