Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
comme cela
English translation:
as was published / as could have been feared
Added to glossary by
Drmanu49
Feb 11, 2008 23:06
16 yrs ago
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French term
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comme cela
French to English
Medical
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thrombosis in a mechanical heart valve
Notre cas clinique retrouve une efficacité spectaculaire du rFVIIa, utilisé à la dose habituellement décrite en thérapeutique (90 à 100 µg/kg) dans une situation hémorragique sans issue.
De plus, aucune complication thrombotique n’a été mise en évidence **comme cela** a pu être décrit dans la littérature et **comme cela** aurait pu être craint dans ce cas où la thrombose de la valve mécanique aurait eu des conséquences dramatiques.
I am having trouble with the second sentence. Are they trying to say:
Moreover, no such complication has been described in scientific articles, and no such complication could have been foreseen - in a case of thrombosis in a mechanical valve - that would have had such dramatic consequences.
Can anyone tell me if I am on the right track?
Thanks
De plus, aucune complication thrombotique n’a été mise en évidence **comme cela** a pu être décrit dans la littérature et **comme cela** aurait pu être craint dans ce cas où la thrombose de la valve mécanique aurait eu des conséquences dramatiques.
I am having trouble with the second sentence. Are they trying to say:
Moreover, no such complication has been described in scientific articles, and no such complication could have been foreseen - in a case of thrombosis in a mechanical valve - that would have had such dramatic consequences.
Can anyone tell me if I am on the right track?
Thanks
Proposed translations
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| 4 +7 | as was published / as could have been feared |
Drmanu49
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| 5 +1 | as it |
Pierre Renault
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| 3 | (such) as has / might have been |
Tony M
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| 3 | as perhaps described and potentially feared |
MatthewLaSon
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Proposed translations
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as was published / as could have been feared
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no such complication was noted as previously described in scientific articles, and as could have been feared - in a case of thrombosis in a mechanical valve - with its dramatic consequences.
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in a case of thrombosis in a mechanical valve - with its dramatic consequences.
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Note added at 3 mins (2008-02-11 23:10:12 GMT)
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no such complication was noted as previously described in scientific articles, and as could have been feared - in a case of thrombosis in a mechanical valve - with its dramatic consequences.
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in a case of thrombosis in a mechanical valve - with its dramatic consequences.
Peer comment(s):
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Kate Hudson (X)
: no complication like this has ever been reported previously in the scientific literature
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I think they mean this has been reported elsewhere Kate, but that it did not happen in this case.
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Philippe Maillard
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Thank you Phillipe.
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Gabrielle Leyden
: As Drmanu49 said, they didn't see any of the complications described in the literature and could have/might have been feared
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Thank you Gabrielle.
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Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
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Thank you Patricia.
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Tony M
: Yes, but please see my own answer for suggested alternative wording.
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Thank you Tony, that would fit too.
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Etienne Muylle Wallace
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Thank you Etienne.
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Thank you Sharon.
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2 hrs
as it
The literal translation works here.
"comme" = "like" (the adverb) = "as"
"cela" = "it"
"[yadda-yadda] n’a [pas] été mise en évidence **comme cela** a pu être décrit...
"as yadda-yadda may have been described/depicted..."
"...et **comme cela** aurait pu être craint..."
"...and as it may have been feared..."
"comme" = "like" (the adverb) = "as"
"cela" = "it"
"[yadda-yadda] n’a [pas] été mise en évidence **comme cela** a pu être décrit...
"as yadda-yadda may have been described/depicted..."
"...et **comme cela** aurait pu être craint..."
"...and as it may have been feared..."
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Yes, exactly as I suggested in my earlier answer — except that the wording around it could be tweaked a bit to read more naturally in EN.
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French term (edited):
comme cela a / aurait pu être
(such) as has / might have been
I entirely agree with Manu's explanation, but feel that this might be a slightly more natural way to word it in EN.
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It's really a very common construction in FR, albeit appearing here in a slightly convoluted guise. An EN person would probably naturally say "comme a pu être..." etc., but I have observed that in FR, 'comme' is rarely used 'stand-alone' like this, and needs some kind of pronoun — a much more familiar, but IMHO related, usage is something like "comme je te l'avais déjà dit" — in EN, the 'le' appears redundant.
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Note added at 22 hrs (2008-02-12 22:02:06 GMT)
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It's really a very common construction in FR, albeit appearing here in a slightly convoluted guise. An EN person would probably naturally say "comme a pu être..." etc., but I have observed that in FR, 'comme' is rarely used 'stand-alone' like this, and needs some kind of pronoun — a much more familiar, but IMHO related, usage is something like "comme je te l'avais déjà dit" — in EN, the 'le' appears redundant.
Note from asker:
| Thanks, Tony, for making this sound good in English. |
Peer comment(s):
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MatthewLaSon
: You're not transating "a pu"? No, Tony, this sentence was not clear to me. It is now, but I usually see "tel que cela ...", and got thrown off by "asterisks" and poor punctuation. Don't laugh, but I kept reading the sentence as "like this, like this."LOL
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a pu être = has been — in this particular instance, I think the FR tentativeness expressed in 'pu' need not get in the way in EN; they know darned well it HAS been described in the literature, but are simple hedging their bets, as they aren't citing
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as perhaps described and potentially feared
Hello,
Tough sentence to translate for sure! Woof!
I finally figured out what it means. As you put "comme ça" between asterisks, I kept seeing it as "like this, like this" and couldn't make any sense out of it (no, it's your fault, by the way...lol). I couldn't figure out the subject of "a pu". Then suddenly, I realized it was "çela". Magic it was! LOL.
I tried to word this in the most natural-sounding way in English as possible.
Moreover, no thrombotic complication was evidenced as perhaps described in medical literature and potentially feared in this case where mechanical valve thrombosis would have had serious consequences.
By the way, "aurait pu" could be rendered as "potentially", which implies that it was never feared, but had the potential of being so. On the other hand, "a pu" means "possibly" (as it may have been the case).
I hope this helps.
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Yes, "comme cela a pu ..." is very standard French, by the way.
Tough sentence to translate for sure! Woof!
I finally figured out what it means. As you put "comme ça" between asterisks, I kept seeing it as "like this, like this" and couldn't make any sense out of it (no, it's your fault, by the way...lol). I couldn't figure out the subject of "a pu". Then suddenly, I realized it was "çela". Magic it was! LOL.
I tried to word this in the most natural-sounding way in English as possible.
Moreover, no thrombotic complication was evidenced as perhaps described in medical literature and potentially feared in this case where mechanical valve thrombosis would have had serious consequences.
By the way, "aurait pu" could be rendered as "potentially", which implies that it was never feared, but had the potential of being so. On the other hand, "a pu" means "possibly" (as it may have been the case).
I hope this helps.
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Note added at 23 hrs (2008-02-12 22:52:59 GMT)
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Yes, "comme cela a pu ..." is very standard French, by the way.
Discussion
Simple French.