Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
.sb
English translation:
de (OCR error)
Added to glossary by
Kerryann Broughton
Feb 17, 2012 20:40
12 yrs ago
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French term
.sb
French to English
Other
Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs
Birth Certificate
Hi,
This comes at the end of the text in a birth certificate from France. It appears in the following context: "Nous, XXX, officier d'état civil, avons signé avec le déclarant.sb----------------------------".
No text comes after the ".sb" and I can't think what this could be. I have searched a number of online dictionaries and done some searching on Google but can't find anything. I was wondering whether this was typed by mistake but it seems a bit far-fetched.
If anybody has any ideas, they would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks!
Kerryann
This comes at the end of the text in a birth certificate from France. It appears in the following context: "Nous, XXX, officier d'état civil, avons signé avec le déclarant.sb----------------------------".
No text comes after the ".sb" and I can't think what this could be. I have searched a number of online dictionaries and done some searching on Google but can't find anything. I was wondering whether this was typed by mistake but it seems a bit far-fetched.
If anybody has any ideas, they would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks!
Kerryann
Proposed translations
(English)
| 2 | de (OCR error) |
Alison MacG
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| 3 +2 | .sb |
AllegroTrans
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Change log
Feb 18, 2012 12:17: writeaway changed "Field" from "Law/Patents" to "Other"
Feb 21, 2012 18:03: Kerryann Broughton Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
2 days 14 hrs
Alison MacG
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Patents and related material specialist
Native in: English (Variants: UK, British, Scottish) 
Works in: German to English, French to English, Swedish to English, and 4 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
6
Selected
de (OCR error)
An idea.
If the document has been scanned, ink from the reverse page can shine through, especially if the paper is old or thin. "de" in reverse would come out roughly as "sb" and could be picked up as such in a search. Further confusion could have been caused by the fact it then happens to appear immediately after the full stop after "le déclarant".
Have a look at this example of an old book digitized by Google and see what you think.
A text search for "sb" leads to page 269:
... ce qui est contraire à la loi.
immediately followed by reverse text, roughly:
... sb ls lob sb ...
This is text shining through from page 268:
... de dol et de ...
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ElUMAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA653&lpg...
I found this by doing a Google search for:
"avec le déclarant" + "sb"
leading to the following result:
Journal du palais - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk/books?id=ElUMAQAAMAAJ...
France. Cour royale (Paris)., France. Cours d'appel, France. Cour de cassation - 1840 - Law
... olce par l'arrêt 653 iup .ans) sb 8S3*lq*ion iu» eJWW ClIAMBKU C. FOING. ... eu présence de deux témoins qui signent aux registres avec le déclarant. à ce: ...
If the document has been scanned, ink from the reverse page can shine through, especially if the paper is old or thin. "de" in reverse would come out roughly as "sb" and could be picked up as such in a search. Further confusion could have been caused by the fact it then happens to appear immediately after the full stop after "le déclarant".
Have a look at this example of an old book digitized by Google and see what you think.
A text search for "sb" leads to page 269:
... ce qui est contraire à la loi.
immediately followed by reverse text, roughly:
... sb ls lob sb ...
This is text shining through from page 268:
... de dol et de ...
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ElUMAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA653&lpg...
I found this by doing a Google search for:
"avec le déclarant" + "sb"
leading to the following result:
Journal du palais - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk/books?id=ElUMAQAAMAAJ...
France. Cour royale (Paris)., France. Cours d'appel, France. Cour de cassation - 1840 - Law
... olce par l'arrêt 653 iup .ans) sb 8S3*lq*ion iu» eJWW ClIAMBKU C. FOING. ... eu présence de deux témoins qui signent aux registres avec le déclarant. à ce: ...
2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you for all your effort. It indeed looks like this could be the case."
+2
4 mins
AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois)
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
Related KudoZ points
:
89
.sb
the initials of either the Registrar, the clerk, or the person who typed the certificate.
Note from asker:
| Thank you for your help. As per my discussion entry, I was unable to reach a definitive answer even with the help of the client. I have chosen the other answer as the "sb" was in lower case letters, which doesn't seem like initials and I thought the information on possible OCR errors would be useful for others in the future. Thanks again! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Cyril B.
: Indeed.
2 hrs
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| agree |
Trudy Peters
: The latter. Her/his name wouldn't be spelled out anywhere.
5 hrs
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Discussion
Thanks for your help on this. As there was no definitive answer, I left the "sb" in my translation and informed the client of what I had done and asked if they knew what it referred to. The response I got was that they didn't know and that they thought it was best to leave it in!
Thanks again!
Thanks for your suggestion. I had considered this myself but "sb" doesn't correspond to any of the names mentioned on the certificate, not even the registrar's name. If the person who typed the certificate is a different person to the registrar, I suppose it could be this. However, the fact that the "sb" is in small letters made me think it wasn't initials.