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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

au droit des allèges

English translation:

at the breast walls or sills

Added to glossary by B D Finch
Aug 19, 2020 09:06
3 yrs ago
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French term

droit des allèges

French to English Tech/Engineering Architecture Deed of sale, part concerning building measurements
"étant précisé que pour les Hauteurs Libres Mesurées au droit des allèges et des aménagements, la hauteur des allèges et des aménagements seront neutralisées pour les besoins du calcul de la Hauteur Libre Mesurée."
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 at the breast walls or sills
5 right of the breasts
4 perpendicular to the window sill
Change log

Sep 2, 2020 08:47: B D Finch Created KOG entry

Discussion

B D Finch Aug 19, 2020:
@Robert As a height is necessarily vertical and a sill is horizontal, there is no point in using the term "perpendicular". In construction and surveying, "au droit de" is usually understood to mean and translated as "at". Note that, as buildings are 3D rather than 2D, a horizontal measurement towards the centre of the room could be perpendicular to a breast wall.
Robert Such Aug 19, 2020:
https://www.linternaute.fr/dictionnaire/fr/definition/au-dro...

Although 'allège' translates as 'window breast' (wall under a window ledge), in this context, where it's talking about measuring clearance height at a right angle to something, I'd suggest (window) sill.

https://www.maisonentravaux.fr/fenetres/fenetre-pvc-alu-bois...

In this example, the writer refers to prefabricated panels on a facade:

https://issuu.com/giada.pazzi/docs/portfolio_alta_res (p30-31)
philgoddard Aug 19, 2020:
I think ph-b is right about parsing. Allège is spandrel.
Johannes Gleim Aug 19, 2020:
@ Elizaeth Bezieht sich "Hauteurs Libres Mesurées" auf Fensteröffnungen? Könnte allèges" dann für Fensterbrüstungen stehen?

Eine rechtliche Deutung als "droits de" im Sinne von Gebühren würde ich hier ausschließen.
ph-b (X) Aug 19, 2020:
Parsing? au droit des... Loc. prép., vx. Au droit de. Au niveau de, en face de, à la perpendiculaire de. (https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/droit)

Proposed translations

+2
7 hrs
Selected

at the breast walls or sills

It means the measurements are taken at the "allèges" etc. not "perpendicular" to them, which could be misunderstood. However, "allège" is a tricky term that can mean a number of things. It could mean a breast wall, but it could mean the supporting masonry under a balustrade or Juliet balcony. It doesn't mean a "spandrel", which is a "tympan" in French.

What are the "aménagements" referred to? I would guess that this is the clear height available for getting stuff in and out of the building. So, if the height is measured before the sills and windows are installed, it would be from the top of the breast wall, if after, then it would be from the sill or bottom of the window opening.

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Note added at 7 hrs (2020-08-19 16:25:30 GMT)
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Sills tout court is preferable to "window sills", because it is more general.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2020-08-19 17:31:35 GMT)
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https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/allège
Peer comment(s):
neutral Johannes Gleim : It's not the sill, but the wall below. Ok for breast wall.
39 mins
It can be correctly translated as "sill", particularly if that is a word one would use in English to describe how to take these measurements.
agree Schtroumpf : Of course (nounourse) ! :-)
1 hr
Thanks Schtroumpf
agree Kim Metzger
3 hrs
Thanks Kim
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6 hrs

perpendicular to the window sill

As suggested by one of the comments. "Window sill" or wall section under a window.

allège
nf
1 (construction) pan de mur placé entre le sol et le bas d'une fenêtre

reverso dictionnaire
Peer comment(s):
neutral Johannes Gleim : It's not the window sill, but the wall below. And the the text says not "perpendiculaire"
1 hr
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7 hrs

right of the breasts

Term: allège
Term reference: Conv.Europ.de la Construct.Métallique
Reliability: 3
Term: wall below the window sill
Term reference: Eur.Conv.for Constr.Steelwork
Reliability: 3
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1405499/fr-en-la-lt-mul

Definition: partie de mur, généralement d'épaisseur réduite, comprise entre la pièce d'appui d'une croisée et le sol de la pièce
Term: allege
Term reference: Lex. Bât., Ac. Arch.
Reliability: 3
Definition: the wall under the sill of a window,down to floor level
Term: breast
Term reference: 1/DF:DIBIL
Term: windowback
Term reference: 1/DF:DIBIL;TNC60
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1356224/fr-en-la-lt-mul

L’allège (n. f.), également appelée « contre-cœur » en Suisse, désigne sur un bâtiment la partie du mur (intérieur ou extérieur) située entre le plancher et l'appui de fenêtre1,2.
La hauteur d'allège est comptée du sol fini au-dessus du rejingot.
C'est également un petit mur d'appui sous la fenêtre servant aussi de décoration à une pièce.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allège_(architecture)

The only link to other language is in German:

Als Brüstung (auch Parapet) bezeichnet man
• eine Absturzsicherung an Brücken, Emporen, Terrassen, Balkonen usw. Im Gegensatz zum leichten und meist durchbrochenen Gitter bzw. Geländer und zur Balustrade ist sie eine geschlossene, in der Regel massiv ausgeführte Wandscheibe.
• Zum anderen wird ein Teil einer Außenwand als Brüstung bezeichnet, der sich zwischen dem Fußboden und der unteren Kante des Fensters befindet (Fensterbrüstung).
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brüstung

See allège = Brüstung = breast:

allège f. [BAU.] die Brüstung Pl.: die Brüstungen
https://dict.leo.org/französisch-deutsch/Brüstung
breast [ARCHIT.] die Brüstung Pl.: die Brüstungen - Fenster
breast [ARCHIT.] die Fensterbrüstung Pl.: die Fensterbrüstungen
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/breast

French term or phrase: allège
English translation: breast wall, window breast
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/architecture/20...

French term or phrase: allege
English translation: breast, breast wall, window breast
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/construction-ci...

breast [wall under window ledge] allege f
breast stone [under a window or door sill] parpaing m d’appui.
https://books.google.de/books?id=D0WqznJHTnUC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA...

<B>allege f (bâtim)de fenêtre / parapet, wall breast high, window breast, breast wall
hauteur libre (escalier) / clearance, clearance height, headway, headroom; ~ (pont) / overhead clearance, clearance height, headway, headroom
(Dictionnaire Général de la Technique Industrielle)

droit adj (inverse de gauche) right adj
Il boite de la jambe droite.
He is lame in his right leg.
https://www.wordreference.com/fren/droit de

This may be applied as following:

"being specified that for the Measured Clearance Heights at the right of the breast and fittings, the height of the breasts and fittings shall be neutralized in order to calculate the Measured clearance height."

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Note added at 1 day 38 mins (2020-08-20 09:44:21 GMT)
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In order to be unambiguous.: "Right of the breast wall". Has nothing to do with busts as some fellows are trying to joke about my proposals, obviously for lack of real counter-arguments.
Peer comment(s):
neutral B D Finch : The "right of the breasts" not to wear a bra?
34 mins
Off the subject! Completely odd!
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