Apr 5, 2008 17:41
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Arabic term
سجال
Arabic to English
Other
Government / Politics
لم يخلف الزعيم الليبي معمر القذافي عادته وحول كلمته في الجلسة الافتتاحية للقمة مجالًا لسجال بين الحضور
I have seen this translated as "rivalry" and "competition", but they don't seem to fit here. Hans Wehr has "a contest with alternate success". I'm not sure if it's talking of the speech getting a mixed reception or if those present were subjected to good and bad comments from Gaddafi. Any help very gratefully received.
Thank you
Andrew
I have seen this translated as "rivalry" and "competition", but they don't seem to fit here. Hans Wehr has "a contest with alternate success". I'm not sure if it's talking of the speech getting a mixed reception or if those present were subjected to good and bad comments from Gaddafi. Any help very gratefully received.
Thank you
Andrew
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +8 | stirred controversy among... | Yasser El Helw |
5 +5 | debate | Sayed Moustafa talawy |
5 | Argument | amky |
5 | wrangling | ayman musa |
3 +1 | consternation (he threw the leaders present into consternation) | Bubo Coroman (X) |
4 | dispute | Aliflinguistics |
Proposed translations
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stirred controversy among...
Debate is constructive. Positive things come out of debate. "Sejal" is always negative and usually pointless. Some people are controversial and that's what they stir.
Good luck
Good luck
Peer comment(s):
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natasha stoyanova
: Your suggestion is more probable and closer
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Thank you Natasha :-)
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Nesrin
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Thank you Nesrin :-)
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Bubo Coroman (X)
: if the speech was the same as in Nesrin's link, it was certainly controversial, if not shocking
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Thank you Deborah :-)
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Mohamed Ghazal
9 hrs
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Thank you Mohamed :-)
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Awad Balaish
11 hrs
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Thank you Awadh :-)
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Dr. Hamzeh Thaljeh
13 hrs
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Thank you Dr. Hamzeh :-)
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Nadia Ayoub
18 hrs
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Thank you Nadia :-)
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Ahmed Alami Masmoudi (X)
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Thank you Ahmed :-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you very much Yasser and to all others who answered."
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17 mins
debate
سجال= للجدال والنقاش الزائد عن الحد
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Note added at 19 mins (2008-04-05 18:01:32 GMT)
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he left no chance for debate between .........
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Note added at 24 mins (2008-04-05 18:06:41 GMT)
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Debate (North American English) or debating (British English) is a formal method of interactive and position representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, since it includes persuasion which appeals to the emotional responses of an audience, and rules enabling people to discuss and decide on differences, within a framework defining how they will interact.
Informal debate is a common occurrence, but the quality and depth of a debate improves with knowledge and skill of its participants as debaters. Deliberative bodies such as parliaments, legislative assemblies, and meetings of all sorts engage in debates. The outcome of a debate may be decided by audience vote, by judges, or by some combination of the two. Formal debates between candidates for elected office, such as the leaders
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Note added at 19 mins (2008-04-05 18:01:32 GMT)
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he left no chance for debate between .........
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Note added at 24 mins (2008-04-05 18:06:41 GMT)
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Debate (North American English) or debating (British English) is a formal method of interactive and position representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, since it includes persuasion which appeals to the emotional responses of an audience, and rules enabling people to discuss and decide on differences, within a framework defining how they will interact.
Informal debate is a common occurrence, but the quality and depth of a debate improves with knowledge and skill of its participants as debaters. Deliberative bodies such as parliaments, legislative assemblies, and meetings of all sorts engage in debates. The outcome of a debate may be decided by audience vote, by judges, or by some combination of the two. Formal debates between candidates for elected office, such as the leaders
Peer comment(s):
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Assem Mazloum
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Thanks
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Nesrin
: A "heated debate" maybe?
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Noha Kamal, PhD.
: I second Nesrin's suggestion.
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Mohsin Alabdali
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Thanks
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naeim
: absolutely
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3 hrs
Argument
Argument, controversy, dispute imply the expression of opinions for and against some idea
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consternation (he threw the leaders present into consternation)
If Nasrin's link is to the same event this would apply, as it describes the effect the speech had - he was using shock tactics at some points:
"Gaddafi asked: "How can we accept that a foreign power comes to topple an Arab leader while we stand watching?"
He said Saddam had once been an ally of Washington, "but they sold him out".
"Your turn is next," Gaddafi told the Arab officials gathered for the conference, some of whom looked stunned while others broke into laughter at his frankness."
"Gaddafi asked: "How can we accept that a foreign power comes to topple an Arab leader while we stand watching?"
He said Saddam had once been an ally of Washington, "but they sold him out".
"Your turn is next," Gaddafi told the Arab officials gathered for the conference, some of whom looked stunned while others broke into laughter at his frankness."
Peer comment(s):
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Yasser El Helw
: Actually, the least fortunate of all descriptions, is "sejal"! What can a translator do in such cases, improve on the source?!
17 mins
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well, perhaps he opened the leaders' eyes to things they hadn't seen ... let's hope the effect is positive, as that is what he seemed to intend! Have a good night :-) Deborah
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2 days 18 hrs
wrangling
also refered to as political wrangling among politicians or rhetoric
3 days 4 hrs
dispute
A dispute is an oral contention, usually brief, and often of a heated, angry, or undignified character
Discussion
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Thank you very much